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William AsfordbyAge: 51 years15721623

William Asfordby
Given names
Birth 1572 32 34
Death of a fatherEdward Asfordby
1591 (Age 19 years)
Death of a motherKatherine Sandon
1595 (Age 23 years)

MarriageEleanor NewcomenView this family
April 30, 1597 (Age 25 years)
Birth of a son
John Asfordby
1598 (Age 26 years)
Death May 1623 (Age 51 years)
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Last change December 2, 200322:42:05

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Marriage: about 1570
3 years
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Eleanor Newcomen
Birth: 1576 26 22Saltfleeby, Lincolnshire, England
Death: June 9, 1634Saltfleeby, Lincolnshire, England
Marriage: April 30, 1597Saltfleeby, Lincolnshire, England
20 months

Legend and research has it that ...... Dear Denis ~ Thank you for your post. You asked a very good question. Couples of high station were sometimes married twice, once in the woman's country and again in the man's. Two examples I know of are John of Gaunt and his brother, Edmund of Langley. A couple could also be married by proxy, as King Henry III was to Jeanne de Dammartin. In such cases, the proxy marriage was usually followed by a normal ceremony before a priest at a later date. In King Henry III's case, he married Jeanne de Dammartin by proxy, then asked for a divorce from Jeanne de Dammartin, pleading consanguinity. In the meantime, he had married Eleanor of Provence, which I'm sure complicated things for the Pope. The Pope wisely granted him the divorce he sought. In King Philippe III's case, I show that he and his wife, Isabelle, were dispensed to marry 1 Dec. 1258, they being related in the 3rd and 4th degrees of kindred [Reference: B. Barbiche, Les Actes Pontificaux Originaux des Archives Nationales de Paris 1 (Index Actorum Romanorum pontificum ab Innocentio III ad Martinum V electum, vol. 1) (1975): 375-376]. According to the Archbishop of Rouen's records which I cited in an earlier post, this couple were officially married 6 July 1262, before the kings of France, Aragon, and Navarre, and various French prelates and barons. I triple checked the date to make sure I had it correctly transcribed and converted. I have no idea of the origin of the usual date of marriage [28 May 1262] for Philippe III and Isabelle. However, clearly something is askew. Perhaps this is a case in which the couple were married twice. If John Ravilious is so disposed, perhaps he can chart for us the kindred between Philippe III and Isabelle. Below is a list of New World immigrants who descend from King Philippe and Isabelle. Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah E-mail: - - - - - - - - - List of New World immigrants who descend from King Philippe III and his wife, Isabelle of Aragon: 1. Robert Abell. 2. William Asfordby. 3. Barbara Aubrey. 4. John Bevan. 5. Essex Beville. 6. William Bladen. 7. George & Nehemiah Blakiston. 8. Joseph Bolles. 9. Elizabeth Bosvile. 10. Mary Bourchier. 11. George, Giles & Robert Brent. 12. Stephen Bull. 13. Charles Calvert. 14. Edward Carleton. 15. Grace Chetwode. 17. St.Leger Codd. 18. Elizabeth Coytemore. 19. Humphrey Davie. 20. Frances, Jane, & Katherine Deighton. 21. Edward Digges. 22. Thomas Dudley. 23. Rowland Ellis. 24. William Farrar. 25. John Fenwick. 26. John Fisher. 27. Henry Fleete. 28. Edward Foliot. 29. William Goddard. 30. Muriel Gurdon. 31. Elizabeth & John Harleston. 32. Jane Haviland. 33. Warham Horsmanden. 34. Anne Humphrey. 35. Mary Launce. 36. Samuel Levis. 37. Thomas Ligon. 38. Nathaniel Littleton. 39. Thomas Lloyd. 40. Agnes Mackworth. 41. Anne Mauleverer. 42. Richard More. 43. Joseph Need. 44. John Nelson. 45. Philip & Thomas Nelson. 46. Thomas Owsley. 47. John Oxenbridge. 48. Herbert Pelham. 49. Robert Peyton. 50. Elizabeth & William Poole. 51. Henry & William Randolph. 52. George Reade. 53. William Rodney. 54. Katherine Saint Leger. 55. Richard Saltonstall. 56. William Skepper. 57. Diane & Grey Skipwith. 58. Maria Johanna Somerset. 59. John Stockman. 60. John & Lawrence Washington. 61. Olive Welby. 62. John West. 63. Thomas Wingfield. 64. Hawte Wyatt. Denis Beauregard <> wrote in message news:<>... > Le 4 May 2003 23:33:39 -0700, (Douglas > Richardson) écrivait dans soc.genealogy.medieval: > > >Various English sources I've checked state that Philippe III, King of > >France, married 28 May 1262 to Isabel, daughter of Jaime I, King of > > > >II. non. Julii. [6 July 1262]. Cum Dei adjuturio, in majori ecclesia > >dicti loci, presentibus Francorum et Aragonum et Navarrae regibus, > >multisque Franciae praelatis et baronibus, desponsavimus dominum > > And what about a marriage contract for one date, and the marriage > itself for the other date ? > > > Denis *********** *********** *********** Dear Newsgroup ~ In earlier posts (see below), I stated that Sir Maurice Fitz Maurice and his 1st wife, Maud de Prendergast, were married shortly after 1258, which year is the known death of Maud's 2nd husband, Maurice de Rochford. Since posting this information, I've located two dispensations which concern the marriage of this couple. These dispensations are found in the following source: Maurice P. Sheehy, Pontificia Hibernica, vol. 2 (1965), pp. 293-294,297. These records make it clear that Maurice and Maud were married before 28 October 1259, when a dispensation was granted to remove the impediment which make their marriage irregular. The impediment in question was that Maud de Prendergast had been married (1st) as a child to Maurice's younger brother, David Fitz Maurice, who died in 1249. Through their daughter, Juliane Fitz Maurice, wife of Sir Thomas de Clare, Sir Maurice Fitz Maurice and his wife, Maud de Prendergast, are ancestral to the following New World immigrants: l. Robert Abell (4 descents) 2. William Asfordby (2 descents) 3. Henry & Thomas Batte 4. Anne Baynton (2 descents) 5-6. Richard and William Bernard (4 descents) 7. Essex Beville (3 descents) 8. William Bladen 9. George and Nehemiah Blakiston 10. Joseph Bolles (3 descents) 11. Elizabeth Bosville (5 descents) 12. Elizabeth Boteler 13-15. George, Giles & Robert Brent (4 descents) 16. Thomas (or Sackford) Brewster (5 descents) 17. Nathaniel Burrough 18. Charles Calvert (4 descents) 19. Edward Carleton (6 descents) 20. Grace Chetwode (4 descents) 21. Jeremy Clarke (2 descents) 22. William Clopton 23. St. Leger Codd (4 descents) 24. Elizabeth Coytemore 25. Francis Dade 26. Humphrey Davie (4 descents) 27. Edward Digges (4 descents) 28. Gov. Thomas Dudley (3 descents) 29. William Farrar 30. John Fenwick (4 descents) 31. Henry Fleete 32. Muriel Gurdon (3 descents) 33. John & Elizabeth Harleston (7 descents) 34. Jane Haviland (4 descents) 35. Warham Horsmanden (4 descents) 36. Anne Humphrey (3 descents) 37. Henry Isham 38. Edmund Jennings 39. Edmund Kempe (2 descents) 40. Mary Launce (4 descents) 41. Samuel Levis 42. Thomas Ligon 43-44. Henry & Jane Lowe 45. Thomas Lunsford (4 descents) 46. Agnes Mackworth (5 descents) 47-48. Roger & Thomas Mallory 49. Oliver Manwaring 50. Elizabeth Marshall (2 descents) 51. Anne Mauleverer (5 descents) 52. John Nelson (5 descents) 53-54. Philip & Thomas Nelson (5 descents) 55. Ellen Newton (3 descents) 56. Joshua Owen 57. John Oxenbridge 58. Richard Palgrave 59. Herbert Pelham (3 descents) 60. Robert Peyton (3 descents) 61. William Poole (2 descents) 62-63. Henry & William Randolph (2 descents) 64. George Reade (4 descents) 65. William Rodney (5 descents) 66. Katherine St. Leger (3 descents) 67. Richard Saltonstall (4 descents) 68. William Skepper (4 descents) 69-70. Diana & Grey Skipwith (2 descents) 71. Maria Johanna Somerset (2 descents) 72. John Stockman 73. John Throckmorton 74. Jemima Waldegrave 75. John Washington 76. Olive Welby (2 descents) 77. John West (3 descents) 78. Thomas Wingfield (8 descents) 79. Hawte Wyatt (2 descents) 80. Amy Wyllys Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah E-mail: From: Douglas Richardson ( Subject: Re: Juliane Fitz Maurice, wife of Thomas de Clare View: Complete Thread (15 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval Date: 2000/02/20 Hi Raymond: In answer to your question, it appears that Sir Thomas de Clare and Juliane Fitz Maurice were married shortly before 18 February 1275. It is difficult to know when Juliane was born but I would estimate around 1261, as noble women were generally around 14 when their marriages were consummated. Juliane's father, Sir Maurice Fitz Maurice, married his first wife, Maud de Prendergast, shortly after 1258, following the death of Maud's second husband, Maurice de Rochford. Maud de Prendergast was born about 1242. So the chronology fits fine for Maud de Prendergast for to be the mother of Juliane Fitz Maurice. I estimate that Maud was about 19 when Juliane was born. In any event, Juliane could not possibly be the child of her father's second wife, Emmeline Longespee, as that marriage took place long after Juliane's birth. Also, English records prove that Emmeline Longespee died without issue. All for now. Best always, Douglas Richardson In article <>, (raymond l montgomery) wrote: >Douglas >Thanks for this post! >How ever the appoximate birth date i have of juliane Fitzmaurice is 1249 >and that would mean that her mother was 8 at the time of her birth. >How ever i could be taking this entirely wrong! did you mean that juliane >birth was 1242? >Thanks in advance for your input >RAY >On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 09:00:26 -0800 Douglas Richardson ><> writes: >>The recent postings regarding Margaret de Clare, wife of >>Bartholomew de Badlesmere, have prompted me to post regarding >>Margaret's parentage. As indicated by others, Margaret de >>Clare's parents were Thomas de Clare, Knt. (died 1287), of >>Thomond in Connaught, Bunratty castle, co. Clare, etc., Ireland, >>and his wife, Juliane Fitz Maurice, which couple were married >>before 18 Feb. 1275. >> >>Juliane Fitz Maurice has long been regarded to be a daughter of >>Maurice Fitz Maurice, Knt., 4th baron of Offaly in Ireland, >>Justiciar of Ireland, by his 2nd wife, Emmeline Longespee. >>Juliane was the most certainly a daughter of Maurice Fitz >>Maurice, Knt., but not by his wife, Emmeline Longespee. >>English records (including her ipm) prove conclusively that >>Emmeline Longespee died without issue. For information >>regarding Emmeline and the history of her English lands, see VCH >>Berkshire, 4 (1924): 158-159 and VCH Wiltshire, 9 (1910): 176. >> >>As for Juliane Fitz Maurice's correct maternity, it appears she >>was the daughter of her father's first wife, Maud de >>Prendergast, born about 1242, widow of David Fitz Maurice (died >>1249) and Maurice de Rochford (died 1258), and daughter and >>coheiress of Gerald de Prendergast (died 1251), of Beauvoir (or >>Carrigaline) and Ballacha in Orrery, co. Cork, Ireland >>(References: Orpen, 1 (1911): 390-391; 3 (1920): 118, 198, 209- >>210, 4 (1920):128-129 (chart which incorrectly shows Juliane >>Fitz Maurice as daughter of Emmeline Longespee); T.W. Moody, et >>al., eds., A New History of Ireland, 9 (1984): 167 (chart)]. >> >>Interestingly, Orpen shows that Maud (de Prendergast) Fitz >>Maurice's paternal grandmother was Maud, daughter of Robert de >>Quincy (died 1172-3), constable of Ireland, by a daughter of >>Richard de Clare ("Strongbow"), Earl of Pembroke. So, it would >>appear that Maud de Prendegast has some rather illustrious >>ancestry in her background, descending from the English Quincy >>and Clare families. >> >>All for now. Best always, Douglas Richardson >> >> ______________________________ ------------------------------ ************** ************** ************* ************* Friday, 6 June, 2003 Hello All, In the original post on this issue, I put forth the proposition that the passing of Hemyock and Hidon, Devon to the great-granddaughter of Margaret de Hydon (and not to her heir male, and grandson, John de Dinham) in 1357 showed that she was the mother of Josce de Dinham's younger son Oliver, but not of his elder son John (d.v.m. 1332 or before). An ongoing review of the available information concerning birth and marriage dates for this family finds that there is no basis for supposing John was not her elder son, and that the passage of these lands to her younger issue (or descendant thereof) was not unusual for the period. At the same time I wish to make this information known, I am also pleased to advise that several sources (including KSB Keats-Rohan's Domesday Descendants) have made it possible to extend the ancestry of Margaret de Hydon some 7 generations, to the 12th century Devonshire tenant Robert Foliot (d. before 1130). Also, there is now one unidentified generation only now barring similar extension of her ancestry to the Domesday tenant Otelin de Hidon: once this has been resolved, that information will be posted to the newsgroup as well. ~ Perhaps with some future good fortune, any linkage between the Foliots of Devon and the family of Gilbert Foliot, Bishop of London (maybe even the Foliots of Nottinghamshire) will yet be discovered..... This affects the ancestry of many individuals descended from the Lords Dinham, and in particular that of the following 17th century emigrants to America: 1. William Asfordby 2. Barbara Aubrey 3. George Blakiston 4. Nehemiah Blakiston 5. William Bladen 6. Charles Calvert 7. William Farrar 8. Mary Launce 9. Elizabeth Poole 10. Capt. William Poole 11. William Skepper As always, any comment, criticism or added documentation re: the above would be appreciated. Good luck and good hunting, John * _______________________________ 1 Robert Foliot - -------------------------------------- Death: bef 1130[1] of Hemyock and North Tawton, Devon & c. had grant of royal land in Devon from King Henry I before 1103 Hemyock, Devon held in chief by 'serjeanty service' (DD p. 982, cites Fees, 98)[1] granted church of North Tawton, Devon (confirmed by Osbert, bp. of Exeter, before 1104) to the monks of St. Nicholas 'to make his son William a monk of St. Nicholas, Exeter, with the consent of his sons Payn and Geoffrey.' DD p. 982[1] re: Madford in Hemyock, and Orescome, or Awliscombe Tremenet, ' Reichel notes that it later formed part of Hemyock, being granted by Henry I to Robert Foliot (OJR, Supp, p39). '[2] Children: Payn Geoffrey William 1.1 Payn Foliot - -------------------------------------- of Hemyock and North Tawton, Devon & c. accounted for the lands of his father in 1129/30 (DD p. 983, cites Pipe Roll 31 Hen. I)[1] Children: Robert (-1196) 1.1.1 Robert Foliot - -------------------------------------- Death: 1196[1] of Hemyock and North Tawton, Devon & c. '...his heirs were the issue of his four daughters, Susanna, wife of Alfred fitz Ivo, Loretta, mother of Emma de Boterel, Beatrix, mother of Richard of Hidon and secondly the wife of Simon fitz Rogo, and a fourth daughter, mother of Geoffrey de Barenton.' (DD p. 983, cites Curia Regis Rolls iii, 197-98; x, 128)[1] re: Hemyock, Devon: ' Hemyock Manor was granted to Robert Foliot by Richard de Redvers, Earl of Devon. 1195: Hemyock was in the King's hands as the result of an escheat. 1198: Robert Foliot's lands were in the joint possession of Geoffrey de Barenton, Thomas Foliot, Richard de Hidon and Emma de Botreaux, his grandchildren.'[3] Children: Susanna Loretta Beatrice NN, a daughter Susanna Foliot - -------------------------------------- coheiress of the lands of Foliot, in Devon[1] Spouse: Alfred fitz Ivo Children: Thomas Thomas Foliot - -------------------------------------- coheir of his grandfather Robert Foliot[1] evidently took his mother's surname[3] Loretta Foliot - -------------------------------------- coheiress (in her issue) of the lands of Foliot, in Devon Spouse: NN de Botreaux Children: Emma Emma de Botreaux - -------------------------------------- coheiress of her grandfather, 1196[1] 'Emma de Boterel' (apparent error) - DD p. 983[1] Beatrice Foliot* - -------------------------------------- coheiress (in her issue) of the lands of Foliot, in Devon her portion (held in dower) included the manor of Madford in Hemyock[4] re: 'Newcott', or Nonycote, or Newcourt, or Hole, in Clayhidon parish and Hemyock hundred (EPNS, pp610, 611). It seems to be the DB manor Holne, held by Otelin from Baldwin the Sheriff (DB 16,124). In 1166 Otelin's estates were held by Richard de Hidon, and Newcourt was tenanted by Jordan FitzRogo (OJR, Supp, p41). Lysons states that Newcourt belonged to the family of Rogus, ...'[2] Spouse: John de Hydon, of Bolham in Clayhidon, and Culm Pyne, in Hemyock, Devon Death: bef 1212[4] Father: John de Hydon (->1166) Children: Richard (-ca1248) Other Spouses Simon fitz Rogus, 2nd husband Richard de Hydon - -------------------------------------- Death: ca 1248 of Clyst Hidon and Hemyock, Devon coheir of his grandfather Robert Foliot, 1196 (DD p. 983)[1] 'Richard de Hidon became the sole lord of the manor of Hemyock between 1212 and 1228, and in 1238 held it of the honor of Plympton (OJR, Supp, p. 39; Fees, p. 1368).'[2] re: Hemyock, Devon: '1198: Robert Foliot's lands were in the joint possession of Geoffrey de Barenton, Thomas Foliot, Richard de Hidon and Emma de Botreaux, his grandchildren.'[3] ' in 1244 Richard de Hidon conveyed the eastern moiety of Bolham and the southern moiety of Bywood to Dunkeswell Abbey, which held the manor in 1346 (OJR, Supp, p41). '[2] Children: John (->1274) John de Hydon - -------------------------------------- Death: aft 27 Feb 1274[5] of Clyst Hidon and Hemyock, Devon ' In 1242 John de Hidon held half a fee here [in Clyst Hidon] of the honor of Okehampton. '[2] his son Ralph was presented to the living, 27 Feb 1274 ( St Andrew's Church, Clayhidon)[5] Children: Sir Richard Ralph Sir Richard de Hydon - -------------------------------------- of Clyst Hidon, Clayhidon and Hemyock, Devon[6] ' Mackham and Madford (in Hemyock) appear as a single holding in the IPM of Richard de Hidon, a descendant of Robert Foliot, who held a share of Hemyock (IPM, ii, no 590; OJR, Supp, p39). '[2] Children: Margaret (-1357) Margaret de Hydon - -------------------------------------- Death: 15 May 1357[6] Burial: Hemyock chapel had the manor of Hemyock, co. Devon as her maritagium or inheritance[2] she and her husband Josce de Dinham held ' Hydon and Clyst Manors, Devon, as 6 1/2 Kt. Fees, late of Hugh de Curtenay, 24 Mar. 1292 (Inq.)' Knights I:296[7] she evidently passed certain lands to her great-granddaughter Margaret de Dinham on her death (Hemyock and Hydon, Devon), either as inheritance or intended for her maritagium. * identified by John Ravilious in error as a second (or subsequent) wife, and not the mother of Sir John de Dinham (J. Ravilious, 'Correction to CP: Dinham, Lord Dinham', Society of Medieval Genealogy, 16 May 2002[8]). This was due to the passing of Hemyock and Hidon to Margaret de Hydon's great-granddaughter Margaret de Dinham, and not to her elder son and heir. Research pending: 'In the late 13th Century, Margaret Hidon inherited the Manors of Hemyock and Clayhidon from her father Sir Richard Hidon, and the Manors of Morleigh and Storridge from her mother Isabel (née Fisacre).'[3] Spouse: Sir Josce de Dinham, of Hartland, co. Devon, Buckland Denham, co. Somerset & c. Birth: bef 26 Feb 1274[6],[9] Death: 30 Mar 1300[6] Father: Sir Oliver de Dinham (<1234-1298) Mother: NN Marr: bef 24 Mar 1292[7] Children: Sir John (1295-<1332) Oliver (-1346) Ralph de Hydon - -------------------------------------- Occ: rector of St. Andrew's, Clayhidon rector, St Andrew's Church, Clayhidon, Devon presented to the living, 27 Feb 1274: ' The first reference to St Andrew's Church in the bishop's register is on Feb. 27th. 1274, and shows Ralph de Hidon being presented to the living. In the south aisle lies a 13th century effigy, said to depict Ralph, son of Sir John de Hidon, lord of the manor.'[5] Beatrice Foliot* (See above) - -------------------------------------- Spouse: Simon fitz Rogus, 2nd husband Other Spouses John de Hydon NN Foliot - -------------------------------------- coheiress (in her issue) of the lands of Foliot, in Devon Spouse: NN de Barenton Children: Geoffrey Geoffrey de Barenton - -------------------------------------- coheir of his grandfather (DD p. 983)[1] 1.2 Geoffrey Foliot - -------------------------------------- consented to grant of church of North Tawton, Devon to the monks of St. Nicholas by his father, before 1104 (DD p. 982)[1] 1.3 William Foliot - -------------------------------------- monk of St. Nicholas, Exeter before 1104 (grant of church of North Tawton to monks of St. Nicholas of Exeter, by Robert Foliot, before 1130 - DD p. 982)[1] 1. "Domesday Descendants," K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, The Boydell Press, Woodbridge, 2002, full title: Domesday Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons, Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. 2. "Devon Manors: Tiverton Hundred," 3. "Devonshire Manors in the Domesday Book," 4. Annie Natalelli-Waloszek, "Re: Drogo," Sept 27, 2001, 5. St Andrew's Church, Clayhidon website, provides date of presentation of Ralph de Hydon to the living, 27 Feb 1274. 6. "The Complete Peerage," G. E. Cokayne, 1910 - The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom. 7. "Knights of Edward I," Rev. Charles Moor, D.D., F.S.A., Pubs. of the Harleian Society, 1929-1930, 3 Vols. (Vols. 80-83 in series). 8. John P. Ravilious, "Correction to CP: Dinham, Lord Dinham," May 16, 2002, 9. "The Baronage of England," William Dugdale, Norroy King of Arms, Tho. Newcomb [reprint Georg Verlag, New York, USA], London, 1675 [reprint New York, 1977]. _____________________________ * John P. Ravilious ______________________________ ------------------------------ ************ ************ ************* ************ Dear Newsgroup ~ It has been stated in all sources that I've consulted that Elizabeth Arundel, widow of Thomas Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk (died 1399) married before 19 Aug. 1401 (as her 3rd husband) Sir Robert Goushill, of Hoveringham, co. Nottingham, by whom she had two daughters, Joan and Elizabeth [see Complete Peerage, 9 (1936): 604, note f (sub Norfolk)]. The two Goushill daughters were evidently named in their father's inquisition post mortem taken in 1403, Joan being then aged two and Elizabeth being aged one. Joan Goushill later married Thomas Stanley, Lord Stanley, and Elizabeth Goushill later married Robert Wingfield, Knt. Many American colonists descend the two Goushill sisters. It appears, however, there was a third Goushill daughter named Joyce born posthumously after her father's inquisition post mortem. Her existence is known from a lawsuit dated c. Sept. 1407 [Michaelmas 8 Henry 4] in which the three Goushill co-heiresses, Joan, Elizabeth, and Joyce, sued their uncle, Nicholas Gousehill for the manors of Barleburgh and Kynwalmersh, co. Derby, they being "daughters and heirs of Robert de Goushille." [Reference: Genealogist, n.s. 15 (1898): 154-155]. In their petition, the three co-heiresses identify their father, Robert, as the son of Nicholas de Goushill, Knt., so there is no confusion about which Robert de Goushill is intended. These statements are confirmed by the Goushill pedigree found in Thoroton's History of Nottingham, by John Throsby, vol. 3, pg. 62, which pedigree shows Robert Goushill, knight (husband of Elizabeth Arundel) was the son of Nicholas de Goushill, Knt. The author also shows that the Goushill family of Hoveringham held the manors of Barleburgh and Kynwalmersh, co. Derby as early as 20 Edward II. It is interesting that although this lawsuit has been in print since 1898, it seems to have escaped the attention of all modern sources. The lawsuit was at least partially successful, as Throsby, pg. 63, states that Sir Anthony Wingfield, Esq., a descendant of one of one of the three Goushill co-heiresses, "suffered a recovery of the manor of Barleburgh," co. Derby in 5 Henry VIII. As for Joyce Goushill, it would appear that she died as a child, as no further record is known of her. For interest sake, I have posted below a list of the colonial immigrants who descend from the two surviving Goushill daughters. Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah E-mail: - - - - - - - - - - - List of colonial immigrants who descend from Joan Gouhsill, wife of Thomas Stanley, Lord Stanley: 1. Robert Abell. 2. William Bladen. 3. Thomas Booth. 4. Grace Chetwode. 5. Elizabeth Coytemore. 5. Thomas Gerard. 6. Oliver Manwaring. 7. Anne Mauleverer. 8. John Nelson. 9. Joshua & Rebecca Owen. 10. Thomas Owsley. 11. Anthony Savage. 12. Amy Willis. List of immigrants who descend from Elizabeth Goushill, wife of Sir Robert Wingfield: 1. William Asfordby. 2. Mary Bourchier. 3. James & Norton Claypoole. 4. Francis Dade. 5. Richard Palgrave. 6. Diana & Grey Skipwith. 7. Thomas Wingfield. ______________________________ ------------------------------ ********** ********* ********* Dear Newsgroup ~ For interest sake, I've listed below the names of the colonial immigrants who descent from Richard Fitz Roy (otherwise Richard de Warenne, Richard de Chilham) (died 1246), the illegitimate son of King John of England. l. Robert Abell. 2. Dannett Abney. 3. Elizabeth Alsop. 4. William Asfordby. 5. Barbara Aubrey. 6. Christopher Batt. 7. Henry & Thomas Batte. 8. Anne Baynton. 9. Essex Beville. 10. William Bladen. 11. George & Nehemiah Blakiston. 12. Joseph Bolles. 13. Thomas Booth. 14. Elizabeth Bosvile. 15. George, Giles & Robert Brent. 16. Obadiah Bruen. 17. Stephen Bull. 18. Charles Calvert. 19. Edward Carleton. 20. Kenelm Cheseldine. 21. Grace Chetwode. 22. Jeremy Clarke. 23. St. Leger Codd. 24. Henry Corbin. 25. Francis Dade. 26. Humphrey Davie. 27. Jane, Frances, & Katherine Deighton. 28. Edward Digges. 29. Thomas Dudley. 30. John Fenwick. 31. John Fisher. 32. Edward Foliot. 33. Muriel Gurdon. 34. Mary Gye. 35. Elizabeth & John Harleston. 36. Jane Haviland. 37. Warham Horsmanden. 38. Anne Humphrey. 39. Mary Launce. 40. Samuel Levis. 41. Thomas Ligon. 42. Henry, Jane & Nicholas Lowe. 43. Gabriel, Roger & Sarah Ludlow. 44. Agnes Mackworth. 45. Roger & Thomas Mallory. 46. Anne & Katherine Marbury. 47. Elizabeth Marshall. 48. Anne Mauleverer. 49. Joseph & Mary Need. 50. John Nelson. 51. Philip & Thomas Nelson. 52. Ellen Newton. 53. Thomas Owsley. 54. John Oxenbridge. 55. Herbert Pelham. 56. Robert Peyton. 57. George Reade. 58. William Rodney. 59. Katherine Saint Leger. 60. Richard Saltonstall. 61. William Skepper. 62. Diana & Grey Skipwith. 63. Maria Johanna Somerset. 64. John Stockman. 65. John & Lawrence Washington. 66. John West. 67. Thomas Wingfield. 68. Mary Wolseley. (Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<>... > Dear Newsgroup: > > Complete Peerage 7 (1929): 676-680 (sub Lincoln) has a good account of > the life of John de Lacy (died 1240), Earl of Lincoln. According to > this account, John de Lacy married (1st) Alice, "daughter of Gilbert > de l'Aigle." The editor indicates that Alice died without issue "and > was buried at Norton." The source given for this information is an > unpublished Cotton Manuscript. > > Elsewhere, Early Yorkshire Charters, 8 (1949): 233?234 gives a charter > for William de Warenne (died 1240), 6th Earl of Surrey, in which he > mentioned his deceased niece, Alice, buried at Norton Priory, co. > Chester. The editor, Mr. Clay, supposes that Alice was perhaps a > daughter of Earl William's sister, Ela. > > However, Earl William de Warenne's niece, Alice, buried at Norton > Priory is surely identical with John de Lacy's 1st wife, Alice de > l'Aigle, who is also known to have been buried at Norton Priory. > Specifically, Early Yorkshire Charters 8 (1949): 21?22 shows that Earl > William de Warenne had a sister, Isabel de Warenne, who married (1st) > Robert de Lacy (died 1193) and (2nd) Gilbert de l'Aigle (died 1231). > The evidence indicates that Isabel evidently had no living legitimate > children by either marriage at her death in 1234. However, it > appears that she was the mother of at least one daughter by her 2nd > marriage to Gilbert de l'Aigle, namely Alice de l'Aigle, who married > John de Lacy, which Alice predeceased Isabel. Alice's death date is > not known, but she must have died prior to 21 June 1221, by which date > John de Lacy was already married to his 2nd wife, Margaret de Quincy. > As for Norton Priory, the Lacy family were patrons of this religious > house which explains why Alice de l'Aigle was buried there. > > In a related vein, it is known that a sister of William de Warenne, > 6th Earl of Surrey (died 1240), had an illegitimate son, Richard, by > King John. This Richard was usually styled Richard Fitz Roy in his > life time, but he also appears in records as Richard de Warenne and as > Richard de Chilham. Richard first surfaces in the year, 1214, by > which date, he married his wife, Rose de Dover. The identity of > Richard's mother has never been ascertained. However, inasmuch as he > named a daughter, Isabel, it seems a good possibility that his mother > was William de Warenne's sister, Isabel de Warenne, wife of Robert de > Lacy and Gilbert de l'Aigle. Richard has many modern descendants, > including many people who post on this newsgroup. If a link can be > shown to exist between Richard Fitz Roy and Isabel de Warenne, I think > it would be a good indication that she was Richard's mother. > > The evidence that Richard Fitz Roy's mother was a Warenne comes from > the Chronicle of Robert of Gloucester, which states: > > "? Sir Richard Fitz le Rei ? he were a bast ibore [baseborn] Vor the > erles daughter of Wareine is gode [good] moder was, And is fader the > king John") > > Also, I find that Curia Regis Rolls, 16 (1979): 232, refers to Richard > as "Ricardus de Warenn' filius regis Johannis" [Richard de Warenne son > of King John]. > > Further evidence that he was King John's illegitimate son can be found > in Calendar of Liberate Rolls, 1 (1916): 60; 2 (1930): 136, where > Richard de Chilham (or Chyleham) is styled "king's brother" [i.e., > brother of King Henry III of England]. > > Special thanks go to Maryan Egan-Baker of Salt Lake City for her help > and assistance in identifying Alice, the niece of William de Warenne. > As a professional genealogist, Maryan often does research in the > Channel Island records. If anyone needs work done in that locality, > I'll be glad to provide you with Maryan's contact information. Maryan > is a delightful person and a wonderful researcher. She's well liked > by all who know her. > > Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah ______________________________ ------------------------------